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Prudishness and Deviance: Sexual Content in Anime

monday, october 25, 2010 2038h
owen s:
incest is one of the hallmarks of anime
pretty sure Japan overdoes it compared to TV/movies in UK/US
ghostlightning:
moar like, anime has for the longest time
owen s:
a tradition of incest? haha
ghostlightning:
indulged in titillating fetishes
and incest is just one of them
owen s:
true true
ghostlightning:
this time
loli incest
lololol
but yeah
owen s:
no she's not even loli wtf
isn't she like highschool
doujins have consistently illustrated her with breasts
ghostlightning:
let me tell you what i think
owen s:
Sakura Kinomoto is loli
ok
ghostlightning:
first, 11 year olds start budding breasts
i've had schoolmates
not too rare
owen s:
she's 14
that's too old for shin
ghostlightning:
i'm saying breasts aren't too big an issue here
the thing is
many of these 'older' characters
are depicted deliberately in a loli style
they are made to look younger than they are
owen s:
looooooool i have got him
ghostlightning:
which to me, is just as indicative of the fetish for loli
you can have a bazillion year old character
owen s:
but loli is a specific fetish
ghostlightning:
but she is attractive to otaku
owen s:
you can't just say "evokes loli-esque" and directly equates it to loli
the ephebophilia thing is still valid
ghostlightning:
because she looks like a little girl
owen s:
it's not some dichotomy between lolis and milfs in anime!
little girls don't have hips
this is how all teenage girls in anime look like wtf
ghostlightning:
ephebophilia is a peculiar thing
because it was quite normal for 15 year olds to marry until sometime in the 20th century
i am attracted to teenagers
no sense in denying such
owen s:
I see
ghostlightning:
but pre-teens, despite manifestations of puberty
squick me out
owen s:
wait what
so wth is "teen" then
ghostlightning:
teen is 13+
owen s:
yes so she is a teen
wtf
ghostlightning:
i remember fapping to teenagers when i was a teenagers
(lol the humbert humbert defense)
owen s:
I dunno I think a lot of people seem to just tar everything with the same brush and can't even tell anymore
what's loli and what's not
ghostlightning:
but I've no doubt that this isn't deviant
owen s:
we're still talking about oreimo right
ghostlightning:
you see, 18 as a legal age
is arbitrary
it is a matter of policy, and not nature
informed by mostly religious morality
that said, it is also fair to say, that the laws protect these youths who are more vulnerable to
assault or harassment from adults
who cannot defend themselves or redress themselves on the same terms
ergo the state provides them rights and protection
i think this is fair
but it is also not natural
so do I disagree with the moral grounds? no
but do I understand them? yes
i sympathize with the moral grounds against underage sexualization by adults
but i do not think it is unnatural for adults to lust after teenagers
it is not deviant in my eyes
now, to anime
owen s:
eheheh I hope you never have to give this speech to your wife for whatever reason
ghostlightning:
the little sister is indeed a teenager
but in many ways (I suspect) she acts like a little girl
when she isn't acting like an otaku
a male otaku
so the tone indeed is titillating, and plays to the loli fetish, on top of the ephebophilia fetish
it isn't just one thing
owen s:
should make this into a post imo
but I get your point
ghostlightning:
revolutionary girl utena is ironically easier to forgive, because you know it is fucking with you

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